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Lotto Defense
Aug 30th, 2006, 11:08am
 
As of lately, this has been a very hot topic:  lotto freaks.  They are scary.  Make me nervous.  Hell, in some players eyes they 'disrespect' the game.  However, I will never turn down a challenge from a lotto freak.  I do enjoy reminding them of why they shouldn't lotto but the outcome is not always learned to the opponent.  Anyway, we learn from the best and sometimes from the worst.  I am no expert in stratego but I do consider myself a formidable opponent.  Perhaps I have nothing important to teach anyone who is ranked above me but I am always eager to challenge them as I am often excited at the opportunity to defeat a top ranked opponent.  So here are some of my tips on how to beat a lotto freak.
 
Rule #1:  ALWAYS surround your flag w/ bombs.
Rule #2:  Do not put more than 3 bombs in the back row.
Rule#3:  It is a safe measure to put 1 or 2 bombs in the second row in between the lakes.  This way you can trap your opponent on either side w/ your 1 or your 2 to prevent him from lottoing down the middle.  
Rule #4:  DO NOT put bombs in the first row.  They most likely will probe w/ weak ranked pieces.  Save them for a more strategic placement.  The 2nd and 3rd rows.
Rule #5:  Lotto freaks normally don't buy bluffs.  Change your strategy if you must.
 
These 5 rules are good tools to abide by.
 
Other advice:  keep a 3 or 4 in the rear row.  By the time the lotto freak exposes the rear row he'll probably have a 4 left as well.  
 
Also, use your 8's as probes as well.  You probably won't need them all but 1 or 2 near the end of the game as you should have him out ranked on his pieces.
 
I welcome any feedback negative or positive.  
 
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Re: how do you defend against lotto freaks?
Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2006, 4:23pm
 
When I am playing a player that I know typically is a lottoer, I like to place 4 of 6 bombs in rows 2 and 3, and if I am playing someone that lottoes, I feel as if I have to lotto back in order to stay in the game
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Re: how do you defend against lotto freaks?
Reply #2 - Aug 31st, 2006, 8:18pm
 
I've lost my share of games to lottoes but I would have to say your advice sounds pretty much correct.  
 
The only point I might disagree with is about using 8s as probes. There is always some danger that the lottoer will reach the remaining 8s if you use too many of them to scout. I would only do that if I had my remaining 8s in well protected positions.
 
Also putting bombs in normally safe spaces like next to a triangle bomb formations or putting 2 bombs right next to each other sometimes works against lottoing.
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Reply #3 - Oct 31st, 2006, 9:43am
 
Well, none of us mind when a newbie lottos because we know he will eventually lose a powerful player to a bomb sometime during the lotto.
 
However, when intelligent or good players lotto they know when to stop.  If they get down they will lotto and maybe get a 3.  Unlike dumb players or newbies, they will STOP and continue with an intelligent game.  Those are the most frustrating.
 
Which leaves us with the question, isn't lotto appropriate at times?
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2007, 4:01pm
 
Of course its appropriate. Oftentimes there is no hope except for dumb chance.  
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2007, 5:20pm
 
Look at the Havoc I have wreaped on Meta... oh ya and Comstat has too
 
 
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It is just talk and these stategies cant save you
 
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2007, 6:52am
 
The best defense that I've seen players use against lottoers is to place all your power on one side and the 6 bombs placed in the middle and other flank. That way, if they come down on your power side you've got them right where you want them and if they attack middle and other flank, why it's nothing but a mine field.
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #7 - Mar 2nd, 2007, 4:47pm
 
First of all, a thank you to some who have been wonderful opponents, and have taught me a great deal. It is my hope that six months from now, I will be much more on top of my game...
 
Regarding playing the lotto, I must say Venom [who is among the very best players I've ever encountered] and his five rules are pretty solid.
 
That being said, I find no "disrespect" for the game if someone lottos [there are times, after all, when you just need to "roll the dice." I've stupidly had my #2
trapped before, and the only alternative was to take out what I could. However, as I've learned, high ranking pieces in enemy territory is usually not a good idea...
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2007, 1:29pm
 
If Venom is the best you have ever played, you must not have played many  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2007, 4:44pm
 
Well as far as Fly IS concerned perhaps i AM one of the best HE's ever played since i am 22-11-1 against him in classic.  Besides that, there are a handful of players who have utilized the technique of lottoing with positive results: mainly players like BigZach and Commish and perhaps a few others.  I myself try to remain unpredictable:  sometimes I lotto & sometimes I don't (unless u lotto on me then u KNOW I WILL lotto on u).  And then there are those who simply won't lotto unless they absolutely have 2 (by then it's too late).  And most of those players are in the top 10.  However, they are more patient, like to dance, lie and wait, 2 skeered 2 lotto and HATE losing to a lottoer and often won't play them after that.  It's been said b4 and i will state it once again:  Lottoing is part of the game and it is considered a technique (an agressive one at that) just like those who sit back on their asses and wait for an attack, surely, they consider that a technique as well and aggressive players will respect that just as THEY (the lottoers) should be respected as well.
 
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2007, 8:45pm
 
My post obviously wasnt meant as a shot at you Venom, but we both know you aren't one of the sites best.
 
As for that bogus statistic, as of Oct of '06 I happen to be 8-6 in classic vs. you.  That doesnt even start to include barrage.
 
Reason I picked October was that is what the current rankings include, and takes away games when I was just a beginner.
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Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2007, 8:40am
 
I'm no stranger to lotto as some of you may know. There are 3 reason why I might lotto. (1) I'm getting my butt kicked. (2) I'm playing someone who I know only puts bombs in the back 2 rows. In this case, find the marshal then lotto with your general. By the time he does hit a bomb, he has more then pulled his weight. My final reason for lotto is this...boredom! I don't see how some guys can play a cautious, strategic game, over and over.
 
Lotto is not for the faint hearted. Chances of success are slim and will most likely result in a loss. If you don't believe me just check my rank...it sucks! I've seen some players who have successfully mastered the skill of lotto, but don't be fooled in thinking anyone can do it.
 
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #12 - Aug 30th, 2007, 11:42pm
 
I liked your observation of the lottoing technique and believe it to be true . I believe also that when you are playing defensive minded players,you have a better shot at a good lotto in the front two rows . Those players who play defensive sit back and do alot of waiting and I am jealous because I have either not the time or just plain not patient enough. Ty All ,except for Mission ,for helping improve my game ,I know I have a long way to go but it sure is a fun climb and there are days I just feel like blowing something up,lol. Might as well be in a game ,and not sewer caps .Has anyone seen what a quarter stick of dynamite can do to a sewer cap,lol. Well that was back in the day ,phew .the things we do when we are young ,crazy. God Bless All ,and have fun win or lose,preferably win,sven. 0811-Heavy Artillery,M198s
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2007, 12:52am
 
Quote from Venom on Aug 30th, 2006, 11:08am:
Rule #4:  DO NOT put bombs in the first row.  They most likely will probe w/ weak ranked pieces.

 
Not if u place them behind lakes. Many don't expect them there and it can be a real captain-catcher(s).
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #14 - Nov 11th, 2009, 11:08pm
 
Best way to win against a lotto player?
 
Resign  Wink
 
That advice is free.
 
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Re: Lotto Defense
Reply #15 - May 21st, 2012, 3:05am
 
Smiley) Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. You just told eveyone how to beat you.
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