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Tips for Newbies
Feb 19th, 2007, 6:10am
 
war room - a new idea for a newbie post
 
When I play a newbie, I am always polite and even offer to give a few basic tips to bring them up to speed.  These tips include:
 
The trap:  when a stronger piece descends, and you only have one place to go. If you move left and right 5 times you can't move and will then be taken.  Or in other words- a player makes a vertical attack on you and you move to the left or right first then you get trapped and will be taken.  You have to avoid this.  Normally the player will pull back, move left/right then descend on you.  WHEN THE PLAYER PULLS BACK -GO FORWARD, this will avoid the trap.  No one told me this until I asked Lighty (currently ranked 1), who was extremely helpful.  I probably lost 20 games not knowing that.  Perhaps I havn't described this well, but avoid being trapped by moving at the right time....
 
The show:  Only take a piece with another piece that is ranked 1 or 2 higher, or you will give away too much information (of course this only applies generally).  
 
The charge: If you know where the 1 is charge the 2 around and kill all pieces that have moved, (very basic but important)
 
I may not be accurate but this could be added to the war room as tips for newbies, along with other things that better players than me know.  
 
Finally, I am not trying to take the fun out of the game, but just bring new players up to speed on just survival against good players.....
 
After all it's better for all of us if more people join the site...
 
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Re: Newbies and how to promote stratego
Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2007, 9:02am
 
buttfucious say:
 
When playing Commish, a wise man bombs front and center.  undecided
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Re: Newbies and how to promote stratego
Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2007, 11:23am
 
I'm all for your posts about helping newbies, but might want to move to the Strategy board.  Smiley
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2007, 5:25am
 
A couple more things:
 
The colours of the players names:
 
Mauve/Pink = bot
Green = Moderator
Blue = Playing a game
Bold black = registered
black = unregistered (25 game limit)
 
One more thing:
 
To switch between playing a game and chatting in the game room, click on the metaforge logo showing 1, 2, 8 spy & flag.  With the upgrade you can use the blue circular arrow to achieve the same thing.
 
 
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2007, 11:24am
 
To make the list of colours complete:
 
Mauve/Pink = bot  
Green = Moderator  
Blue/Bold Blue = Playing a game  
Bold black = registered  
black = unregistered (25 game limit)  
Red = Admin
Grey = Idle player (not active for 5 minutes)
Light Pink = Bot is idle
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2007, 12:24pm
 
Very important for 'Newbies': Don't expose your Marshall ( 1 ) early ( or.. if you can capture a General  (2 ) or a Colonel ( 3 ) .. it's ok) , against a good player you will lose the game in long term, if you take a crap piece with it.
 
Also: Don't use your Scouts ( 9 ) too much, they are very useful in later game.
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Re: Tips for Newbies- continued
Reply #6 - May 8th, 2007, 9:03pm
 
A few more basic tips:
 
(from a player whose best ranking achieved for classic stratego was around 30 of 200, 2009-ish), this bit was added 2012.
 
Use the spy as a scout when the 1 is gone.
 
6s, 7s and 8s can also be useful as scouts.  The more powerful the piece the more likely it is to kill a couple of smaller pieces on its mission.  
 
If you show your 1 early, expect your moved pieces to be attacked by a 2.
 
Don't trade down (swap off a 5 for a 5) if you are down a powerful piece.  There are exceptions, like for example if you are up a lot in smaller pieces.  I play many newbies who are down a 3 and a 4 and continue to swap off 4s and 5s.
 
People who use a lot of 8s early will be attempting, i) to kill 9s quickly and ii) will not be after your flag, but will go for the win by killing all your pieces.
 
Make sure you don't get caught off guard in the end game by letting through a charging 8 (we've all done it......lol)  
 
Oh..and one more thing, good players will charge a 6 at the end stage (bluffing it as an 8) with the hope to capture an unwary 7 -who attacks the supposed 8, which is in fact a 6...hmmm......... does that make sense?
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Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2007, 12:58am
 
Here's a few more:
 
1) Don't move more pieces than you have to. Every time you move a piece for the first time you are telling your opponent that that piece is not a bomb.
 
2) Never bomb in the center lane, 2 lanes, or a piece higher than a 7. If you do you will probably find that your opponent will not open those lanes and your mobility will be limited too much. Also bombing in lanes tends to favor the person with the lead. If they are ahead they have no reason to open the lane and if they are losing they will.
 
3) Don't lotto (attacking unmoved pieces) unless you're behind. With the exception of a few freakishly talented lottoers, lottoing is generally a losing strategy. However, if you are far behind it is sometimes the only way to get back in the game. If you do fall behind and lotto your way back into the game then stop lottoing and play normal again. Most newbies will keep on lottoing till their luck runs out and they hit a bomb.
 
 
ps Question for lightwing. You won't reveal your marshall for a major? I usually take that one but I wouldn't go any lower than that.
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Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2007, 6:12am
 
Hi,
 
When setting up my pieces I usually take care that I always have another high piece ( gen/colo ) around my Marshall so I dont have to expose him.
 
But if I can take the major with the Marshall, it depends on who my opponent is and where my other pieces are.
 
Its a question which is impossible to answer I think.
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #9 - Aug 1st, 2007, 8:12am
 
Quote from lightwing on May 2nd, 2007, 12:24pm:
Very important for 'Newbies': Don't expose your Marshall ( 1 ) early ( or.. if you can capture a General  (2 ) or a Colonel ( 3 ) .. it's ok) , against a good player you will lose the game in long term, if you take a crap piece with it.

Also: Don't use your Scouts ( 9 ) too much, they are very useful in later game.

 
That's not a basic tip, but a strategy tip.
 
And between basic tips about stratego and the interface of meta are also two different things.
 
Basis tips about the interface should be better provided by meta, basic tips about stratego can be refered to a third party and strategy tips should be gained by the newbies self.
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #10 - Aug 1st, 2007, 8:15am
 
Quote from Erwin01 on Aug 1st, 2007, 8:12am:
...strategy tips should be gained by the newbies self.

 
This really shouldnt be provided by meta. By Lightwing personal i have no problems with it (i cant control him, its his choice), BUT not by meta or out the name of meta. Let them use there own creativity or else we can just all play against identical bots.
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #11 - Aug 1st, 2007, 11:51am
 
I think it is a basic tip not to show your Marshall too early. Same for not wasting all scouts.
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Reply #12 - Aug 1st, 2007, 12:56pm
 
Agreed with lightwing. There isnt a player in the top 20 who shows their marshal and general early in a game consistantly. Maybe once in a while against a player that he has played a few times, to show them a different look, and to make them be aware of every peice.
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #13 - Aug 2nd, 2007, 10:29am
 
Quote from NE-Pats010304 on Aug 1st, 2007, 12:56pm:
Agreed with lightwing. There isnt a player in the top 20 who shows their marshal and general early in a game consistantly. Maybe once in a while against a player that he has played a few times, to show them a different look, and to make them be aware of every peice.

 
Looks to me that you just said it's a strategy tip, looking to your arguments lol.
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2007, 9:41pm
 
OK IF YOUR A NEWBIE AND YOUR PLAYING A HARDCORE HIGH RANKED PLAYER I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU GO RIGHT AT THEM WITH YOUR HIGHEST RANKED PIECE HITTING WHATEVER YOU CAN IN THE FIRST TWO ROWS BUT KEEPING TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER BECAUSE THE SPY IS MOST LIKELY SOMEWHERE IN THE 2ND ROW PROBABLY BEHIND ONE OF THE LAKES  IF YOU GET LUCKY AND TAKE DOWN ABOUT 4 OR 5 PIECES THEN SIT BACK AND MAKE THEM ATTACK YOU NOW WITHOUT PANICKING OR MOVING MORE THEN A VERY FEW PIECES THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST WAY FOR A VICTORY IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING YET -----------------------GOODLUCK YOU'LL NEED IT!!!!!!
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Reply #15 - Apr 9th, 2010, 7:01am
 
Quote from NE-Pats010304 on Aug 1st, 2007, 12:56pm:
Agreed with lightwing. There isnt a player in the top 20 who shows their marshal and general early in a game consistantly. Maybe once in a while against a player that he has played a few times, to show them a different look, and to make them be aware of every peice.

 
came across this little gem from our shinning knight sir patsalot. the peoples choice to win the madness.  
 
care to change your tune on this patsy?
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #16 - Apr 9th, 2010, 6:21pm
 
Thanks for the info
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Reply #17 - Apr 9th, 2010, 7:52pm
 
No.  
 
You must be referring to yourself, in that you show the marsh early on. The only reason you would show your gen early as well is to trade it when your opponent attacks with his. If you want to count that then ill change it from top 20 to top 10.
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Re: Tips for Newbies
Reply #18 - Apr 9th, 2010, 8:32pm
 
Strategy all boils down to one thing...Get out of your trenches, march past the lakes, and send your worthless army forward into cannon, sword, rifle, and bayonett.  
 
Don't waste time scouting.  This is a war son.  And we don't keep our generals behind enemy lines safely in bunkers.  We get'em a rifle and send them first over the trenches to lead the troops.  
 
Kill them all.  
 
Look on the bright side: once your marshall is imploded into 750 pieces on the battle field, there will be more of him to go around.
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Reply #19 - Dec 1st, 2010, 8:52pm
 
I start a thread months ago, and this is the crap that gets left behind?  
 
Who the hell says you can't reveal your marshall or general y move 2?   Holy jumping shitballs!!!  I'll expose my flag if I have had enough Kentucky Bourbon.  This need to hide is exactly why America is going right down the shitter.
 
I think there are two ways to play this game.  You can slide your pieces around a sergeant and a scout waiting for the enemy to implode blast his way in (while you hide your shrunken genitals between your arsecheeks), or you can send your high ranking officers into one of the three fronts early in the game and start hammering away.  
 
What kind of loser plays this game for a ranking anyway?  An Internet ranking on a game site that features about 30 people?  Its kind of like writing a famous poem that rated number 3 for 2009...in an anthology with another 50,000 poems.  I mean, seriously.
 
I have plenty of success revealing my 1, in virtually every game, attacking a flank.  It is not the reason I am not ranked higher.   That distinction is due to my unfettered drinking problems.  Lets get the record straight here people.
 
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