And another thing.  The whole America to Rome comparisons need to stop.  Rome fell for many reasons, that type of thing is not going to happen now.  America will not be attacked, or split up into two countries.  We are going through our second toughest economic issue in our short history.  It is not the world falling apart.  Sure there are pressing issues (healthcare, social security.. etc) but there have always been answers to questions in the past.  Even if you don't enjoy history, take a look at it, it will at least help you sleep at night.

Blas,
 
When you decry the human condition and the rampant inequalities that exist around the world, you have my attention.  I think you would have anyone's attention.  
Problem is, no one is going to really be able to disagree with your assertions (wealth inequality, human tendency for conflict, resource limitations, militarism).  They are common sense views of the world.  My eyes are open I get it, ok?  You'd have to be Papa Smurf to look out your window everyday and be oblivious to an imperfect world though, so your posts are more or less exercises in futility from that aspect.  
 
But just as someone might to start to consider you an overly sensitive and overly concerned human being...you make the preposterous and reckless assertions about 9/11 and all the baggage that goes with it.  What makes you disingenuous here is that you know darn well where you stand.  You are a Messyan acolyte of the worst degree.  So your tired mantra about "putting it out there for you to think about...form your own opinion" is sanctimonious bullshhhit.  At least have a spine and tell us what you really think:
 
The Jews control the U.S. government.
One good nuke and the Jews could be eliminated...then world Utopia would ensue under a socialist marxist revolution where police states would redistribute the wealth  
Pentagon was hit by a missile.  
Twin Towers were blown up by demolition
All eyewitnesses to the scene are crazy, wrong, or are "in on it"
The dead members of flight 93 and the other planes never existed or they are still up in the air surfing on the clouds.
Bush and the NeoCons crafted the 9/11 attacks to serve the Military Industrial Complex
Bush went to war to prove his family really did have some balls
Every member of the 9/11 Commission who studied the attack has been bought, paid for, and will never reveal the devilish cabal
U.S. intentions in the region are to seize the oil for ourselves and colonize Arabs
Iran has it right and the U.S. is Satan
etc,etc,etc.
 
Now you might decry Blas that you do not believe these things (like you say, the American people are wonderful...its the select few who are running the show that are the bad guys).  But your source material here--the meat and potatoes of your ramblings, come from a guy who has lunch with Iranian Mullahs.  It comes from a man who has sold more feces in print than Agatha Christie did in her best year.  Messyan is Jerry Springer Blas...if you don't know who that is google him or check out youtube for the full effect.
 
I respect the need to question.  I respect the need to know the truth.  I am willing to be skeptical about every act my government commits.  I personally am I libertarian and am unsettled at what the U.S. emerged as in the wake of 9/11.  I think Bush and Cheney were more then happy to go bomb the nuts out lots of brown people so the defense contractors could fill their pockets.  But that is not a conspiracy.  That is simply the way the world works.  The U.S. suffers the unfortunate distinction as being the biggest motherfoocker on the block, and all the trappings that go with it.  To stop flexing its muscles for too long a time, and maybe someone else gets emboldened enough to start trying to be the new king of the mountain.  This might just be the thinking that gets us into these messes (Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.etc.).  Yes, greed and vanity are at the heart of it as well, as well as a lot of dick flexing.  Doesn't make the U.S. any different than the countless tyrannical or benign regimes and governments that have come before it.
 
But your "open your eyes" and think for yourself is the furthest thing from what you want us to do.  You want to us to see the deep, evil, nefarious web of illicit and treacherous U.S. subversion that occurs from the control center of Zion.  That makes you a new-world Nazi pal.  And I will not allow it to go unchallenged in this forum.  You do a great job of burying the full extent of your thoughts, but i am here to hold you accountable in all it's fetid splendor.   But I guess after 65 years or so the ovens of Auschwitz don't smolder in the memories of the living much anymore.

Devil,
 
Again, you're totally wrong about me.
You take out your own conclusions and you believe them.
You really are radical in your statements.
You are very skeptical about the 11 / 9. Have you ever thought you might be wrong, when you say so emphatically?
Please do not make me holy names or devil, I do not associate with Messyan or Jews or Muslims or communism or socialism, I have nothing to do with these people. I read a lot of information in my life from all sources I can and will continue to do (maybe that you too should do instead of being so closed-mindedness)
Once again you take hasty and wrong conclusions.
You talk a lot of trash.
 
According to you, as the world is in this way, for there is nothing to do. And anyone who makes a call to reflection, is a fool. Unfortunately many people think so.  
 
You've made in the skin of millions of people crappity smacking? Surely if you were one of them, you would not be as advantageous in your comments.
Ok, You keep looking the other way. When the water reaches your neck, then keep talking like that.

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That says a lot about you. You admit to being  anti semitic racist and judge a group of people by their color or race or religion. You my friend is what is wrong with this world. Heil Hitler to you.

Flyers...I agree that resorting to mudslinging is infantile, and I am guilty as charged.
 
But this entire voltairenetwork nonsense and the guy who runs it (Messyan) is a radical leftist anti-semitic group convinced the Jews are using the U.S. to throttle Arabs and conduct war for military gain.   I wonder if Blas has visited Dachau or been to gates of Auschwitz to fully understand why nonsense of this type must never be tolerated, insinuated, or even hinted at.  I wish the United States would move farther away from supplying aid and weapons to Israel in the Middle East, and I am tired of my country policing the world, but when you have made part of your historical research the 28,000 mile long document trail the Nazis left behind in their quest to destroy these people, it creates a sense of anger when ignorance rears its ugly head.
 
Maybe Blas isn't Anti-semitic even one bit, but he sure has no problem utilizing individuals, sources and conspiracy theories that sure do a lot of fingerpointing at the Jews.  If he truly isn't anti-semitic, then he is about as ignorant as a fattened sow.
 
And I am not saying the modern Jews today are innocent of engaging in behavior in the Middle East that deserves a citizenship award, but when you have conspiracy theory fanatics you don't have to look to far to hear the jackboots goosestepping against a Jewish conspiracy.  If Blas wants to site voltairenetwork as his source material, he better be prepared to deal with the consequences.  Of course maybe he assumes nobody knows exactly what that piece of nuts group actually stands for.
 
Would it be different if I referenced Mein Kempf  for why a eugenics program would be useful to solve America's quandry of an aging population?

I appreciate the intelligence and awareness of Devilsmacker on key issues.  
 
Surely blas is heading to the wrong source for his political information just like heading to the national enquirer would be the wrong place to gather news.  The idea here is the same, pointless name calling gets nowhere.  IF you are participating in a political discussion you are likely attempting to persuade or at least educate the opposing party.  I know if someone called me, whether indirectly or not, hitler, I would not be the first in line to hear the guy out.  
 
That being said, yes I agree Devilsmacker.  What appears so painfully obvious to many is not the case for others.  In my research I have come across tons (no exaggeration) of Holocaust deniers.  Sure to someone educated with the proof on the table it is like denying today happened.  That being said, there are conspiracy theories on everything from JFK to why my toast burnt this morning.
 
That is life in this world, we can take the evidence we have gathered and make our own opinion.
 
And trust me, I am number one in line to believe the USA needs to stop being the world's policeman.  Isolationism is out of the question as well though, both financially and militaristically.  The fine line is there and it will take a president (whether right or left) with a lot of balls to land on it.  
 

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This was a translation error in google, I did not realize at the time (although I know that Google fails in this, reversing the meaning of the phrase, but in this case I did not see, I was at work and not I spent more time).
 
What I meant was:
 
"Devilsmacker, you do not associate me with these people, or anyone else".
 
It is clear that Google does not translate well from Spanish to English. it will mess with the subjects of phrases and changes many things.
 
But someone thinks I'm a racist after all that I've written on this forum? That can only think someone sick, that has me in his sights and it's a dumb-ass.
 
Therefore, this error in translation, has served to make you see yourself how far you have a prejudice against me and against everyone who does not follow the current set as a child going to church.
 
 
I do not exactly remember the last time I read the page voltairenet, maybe 2 months? I do not remember.
 
Someone thinks I have not got anything else to do? Or maybe I'm a fanatic?
 
I think I've made ​​it very clear many times. But there are people with square head again and again insists on seeing things as your hobbies and pigeonhole people according to their own prejudices.
 
Street is a person who shows wisdom:
 
- She has her eyes open
- She think about what she sees (is not enough with keep an eye open)
- She argues herself, not being carried away by the cries of the majority.
- Has the personality (in this case in this post) to support the stinky mad (that's me), simply because for she, the reasoning is more important than what others might think.
- A person who cares about others and how we are in a hypocritical world, how they manipulate and deceive us every day, and how we are pulling it down.
 
 
Where someone needs my help, I'll be there. In real life.
 
In voltairenet page, as in many other, much information that can serve many to realize many things.
 
Really, if someone just wants to read in one direction, is that he not think for himself.
 
And I've said many times, the word "conspiracy" is used by those who do harm, to prevent the truth be known. Then people will believe it and they have already solved his problem. How easy to fool people!!
 
"conspiracy" "top secret", .... too easy.
Think, do not settle.
 What is the reason to hide?, The country's stability?, Again the excuse? I'm not a child of 5 years.  
 
Leaving aside what happened in the 11 / 9, the complexity of operations (including the defense of the Pentagon, etc..), We will focus only on how they fall 3 buildings (including demolition mysterious tower 7, the that the official version does not want to hear about).
 
I will not repeat data (200000 tons of steel and concrete, 400 m in height, free fall in 9 seconds, all turned to dust, etc, all can see).
 
This is impossible when a building falls. I M P O S S I B L E   It can be said any clearer?
One who is not able to understand it, has no f uck1ng idea of physics, no f uck1ng idea!! In other words, the main factor for reasoning about what happened, is disconnected. Well!, Now just need a little marketing and no one will doubt the official version.
 
For me, the two main factors on which rests this has not yet been uncovered with all its consequences are:
 
- The ignorance of people to understand some physics.
- A large "mafia" behind that ensures that this does not come to light.
 
Crazy like this could only work with millions of ignorant people (people around the world - please do not call me anti-American again - ), who have swallowed a ball of lies and events ​​physically impossible.
 

HTRN, everything you've transcribed here, does not talk about what I have said it is impossible:
 
- Free fall in 9 seconds !!! of 200000 tonnes of steel and concrete, among other materials (without the aid of explosives, only gravity).
 
- 200000 tonnes of steel and concrete turned into dust !!! in 9 seconds for the effect of gravity.
 
The aircraft, fire melting steel, and so on, is also false, but to avoid getting into endless discussions, I wanted to focus on these two irrefutable facts.
 
Answers for that, please.
 
 
If you want I can explain what it means free fall.
 
If you drop a billiard ball from 400 feet high, will fall by gravity with an acceleration of 9.8 m/s2.
 
This is independent of its mass.
 
Therefore, a building has many floors below the 400 meters. Each of them will offer a resistance greater than zero (case of no nothing underneath). Therefore, assuming that the weight of the upper floors were capable of destroying the entire building (which is not capable), he could never fall as if nothing underneath (free fall).
 
What would have happened had there not been explosives, is that the great strength of the whole structure would have been much greater than (of course) that the resistance of the surrounding air (zero resistance!), Therefore would have dropped large blocks of upper floors to the surroundings (this is logical), never destroying down 400 meters of great resistance.
 
 
 
Even if the controlled demolition is not executed perfectly, any little mistake would have similar effects: much of the structure had shifted to one side empty (zero resistance) and would have fallen to the ground, leaving the rest of the building in its place.
 
 
I guess you understand what it means that 200000 tonnes of steel and concrete become to dust (literally) in just 9 seconds. That does not happen when a building falls. Unless chemical agents highly destructive. Otherwise it is impossible.  
The energy required to pulverizing such a huge amount of these materials (steel, concrete) is much higher than that triggered by something that falls under gravity. There is a large amount of explosives used carefully arranged and conducted a perfectly controlled demolition. Had he not done so, had fallen large parts of entire building on the surroundings.
 
And think we're talking about huge buildings and three buildings. Even more impossible!!

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Right

Yes Street, a big kiss for you.  
 
Sometimes, after reading some things, I wonder what the hell am I doing writing here. And maybe it's because it is not written for one or two people.
 
Perhaps for everyone who disagrees with something written here, there are 10 who have seen some interesting information and made them reflect on these issues. That was my intention.
 
Those who really feel uncomfortable about something I've written, well, it was not my intention to bother them. They can also simply do not pay more attention. Am I going to Mass? I do not intend to talk about religion with a believer, but I will not insult him, because I think he is not guilty of anything.
 
If you look at that might be behind the lack of understanding, we may find things like ignorance, precipitation, insecurity, prejudice, envy, etc.. So I think it's best to try to understand others ..... and think that we too can be misinterpreted by others.
 
Why destroy instead of learning?