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HI-TEC-REDNECK

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HTRN for president
Mar 12^th, 2012, 8:26pm

1) increase domestic oil production and build newer refineries while we explore alternative fuel sources.
2) Let Israel do what they feel necessary to stop Iran's Nuclear program
3) Make Congressional terms and Senate terms 4 years with a 2 year term limit.
4) Take away their golden parachute retirement
5) Make them participate in the same health care they want us to.
6) Secure all our borders with soldiers and drones to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, guns and drugs.
7) Treat enemy combatants like the scum they are.
8) Build the Key stone pipeline and create thousands of jobs for Americans.
9) Limit welfare and other programs like it to 1 year max. Except for the truly disabled.
10) Make sure no veteran is ever homeless unless he chooses to be.
11) Create a job corp to help take care of military families while their loved ones are deployed.(free yard work plumbing and house hold repairs.)
12) Rebuild our military to the size and force it was in the 80's
13) Kick the UN out of our country. Let them have their headquarters in some other country. Why should we allow the crazies to come to NY and bash our country and president.
14) Withdraw from the UN and NATO
15) A chicken in every pot Grin

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Reply #1 - Mar 13^th, 2012, 4:31pm

Most of that list makes a lot of sense HT. The only one I might pick a bone with is enemies to the state. Treat them like scum but do it in a military tribunal or a court of law. And when you find them guilty, crucify them on public TV so the world can see. Just make sure they get their day in court.

I'd also agree with you on the military. This country should fight in less wars and have a military expand in size to better serve our domestic interests. That would solve a lot of unemployment if a peacetime military could be vested with several of the jobs needed to be done around our neck of the woods (like border patrol, infrastructure projects, etc.) Most kids today are still screwing around in their early 20's after college so why not make mandatory peacetime military service required for every American for 1 year? You think that might be a good thing to help unify this nation?

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Reply #2 - May 2^nd, 2012, 11:08pm

Thoughts on HT's platform...

Quote from HI-TEC-REDNECK on Mar 12^th, 2012, 8:26pm:

2) Let Israel do what they feel necessary to stop Iran's Nuclear program

Not bad, as long as we do not whole heartedly support them doing whatever. They should be like any other ally - no more, no less. We should reserve our sovereign right to support/agree/be neutral/or disagree with any action they take or do not take..

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3) Make Congressional terms and Senate terms 4 years with a 2 year term limit.

I'm ok with this, but I think even more important is to repeal the 17th amendment and return election of US senators to the realm of state governments rather than popular vote. This returns power to the states & enables easier recall if a senator goes wild. The senator really works for the individual state, not the people directly. The people then have more direct power over their state representatives. Give power back to the state governments to direct/recall their national senators in real time. By the way, I assume you meant to say "2 term limit" not "2 year term limit"?

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6) Secure all our borders with soldiers and drones to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, guns and drugs.

Drugs should be legal - there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the power to the federal government to ban or limit a substance that one voluntarily puts into their own body. The war on drugs should be ended, at least at a federal level. But the feds should protect the borders, that is one of their limited constitutional duties, and for all the unconstitutional sh!t they do today, they are sorely lacking on fulfilling this duty that they should be doing.

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7) Treat enemy combatants like the scum they are.

I'm not sure how to read this... Thoughts like this give us the NDAA where anyone can be picked up on suspicion and held indefinitely without charge or trial. If that's what you're thinking, then NO absolutely not.

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9) Limit welfare and other programs like it to 1 year max. Except for the truly disabled.

I'd go a step sideways here - welfare is no business of the federal government, but neither is limiting it. If a state wants to not give it, or give it for life, or something in between, that is up to the state. The Constitution says nothing about welfare in terms of a payment if someone falls on hard times, therefore the federal government should have no involvement. It is a state matter.

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12) Rebuild our military to the size and force it was in the 80's

Why? If anything military needs to be gutted. We are broke & cannot afford it. We spend more than everyone else on the globe combined in defense. We have troops in 100+ countries around the world. This is clearly against the wishes of the founders. The bigger & more funded the military, the more likely a president is to use it recklessly. Fund it & make it big enough to defend the US against any attack and that meets the duty specified in the Constitution for the federal government. Stop policing the world.

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13) Kick the UN out of our country. Let them have their headquarters in some other country. Why should we allow the crazies to come to NY and bash our country and president.
14) Withdraw from the UN and NATO

Well, I don't care about #13 so much - where they do their BS is sort of irrelevant, but #14 I agree with ABSOLUTELY.

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Re: HTRN for president
Reply #3 - May 2^nd, 2012, 11:22pm

Quote from Devilsmacker on Mar 13^th, 2012, 4:31pm:

Most kids today are still screwing around in their early 20's after college so why not make mandatory peacetime military service required for every American for 1 year? You think that might be a good thing to help unify this nation?

No. I think such an idea absolutely destroys liberty and is unconstitutional.

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13th Amendment Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

No involuntary servitude, unless you are accused & convicted of a crime & sentenced with the oversight of a jury of your peers, subject to due process guaranteed by the 5th amendment.

Isn't it nice that the Constitution is around six pages and each amendment is roughly a paragraph on average, compared to the 2000+ page health care bill, for example? Think we've lost our way a bit?

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Re: HTRN for president
Reply #4 - May 3^rd, 2012, 5:02am

-Obama does more home oil drilling than Bush did. Ridiculous plans like Keystone are weighed and squashed when benefits do not add up. Without regulation, Exxon would drop a drill down HTRN's bunghole if they thought there was oil there, only determining afterward they had mistaken the skid marks in his underwear for oil slick residue.

-Israel IS doing whatever the crappity smack they want to the point of present Palestinian exploitation and basic right violoation. Who knows what the short tempered, third world towelnoggins would attempt with misguided nuke ability.

-If we left welfare up to the states the entire south would, of course, end welfare creating a wave of the lowest of redneck species fleeing to northern states overburdening their budgets. Of course, you'd then argue this as a point for national welfare termination, but it would be a circular argument.

-Bills are understandably more complicated and elaborate. The Constitution works because it IS brief. This creates longevity and allows for interpretation with the changing times. If every issue was spelled out into detail it would make it more easy for one faction of a particular belief to gain power. The only major glitch has been the incredible wield of power given to one interest group's idea that "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..." gives license to practically ANY person to pack a pistol and keep an ooze at his disposal.

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Re: HTRN for president
Reply #5 - May 3^rd, 2012, 8:56am

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Obama does more home oil drilling than Bush did.

Correct! Obama is also deporting many more illegal immigrants than Bush did, and he is killing many more Al Queda leaders than Bush did.

It’s interesting to consider which states would benefit and which would suffer if Barbarian’s vision of federalism came to pass. The link below shows (after you scroll down a bit) how much states receive back from the Federal government for each dollar they provide in taxes. I find it ironic that the general pattern is of red states being subsidized by blue states. In other words, those most against federal taxing and spending are the ones benefiting from it, while us liberals in California and New York, for example, would be better off completely disconnected from the Federal Government.

http://stonesoup.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/federal-funding-received-by-state-per- dollar-sent/

Do the math.

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Re: HTRN for president
Reply #6 - May 3^rd, 2012, 12:22pm

Quote from Xerxes on May 3^rd, 2012, 8:56am:

In other words, those most against federal taxing and spending are the ones benefiting from it, while us liberals in California and New York, for example, would be better off completely disconnected from the Federal Government.

Assuming the numbers there are correct, my state is 2nd only to New Jersey at the bottom. So hey, at least I'm not being hypocritical. Cool

It is interesting that people on both sides of the issue seem to vote against their own interests in the status quo system. However, just because some states get less than $1 back for every $1 their citizens send in to the feds does not mean they are financially sound.

Unfortunately, in the status quo system, states are hooked on the Federal Reserve's printing press just as much as the feds themselves are. Getting off of that addiction will have pain, yes, especially for those states higher up on the list, no doubt. But I wonder who will be hurt when the dollar is printed into oblivion, or the interest payment alone becomes one of the biggest federal budget items (if not the biggest) in the not too distant future, according to President Obama's own FY 2013 budget proposal - tables starting at page 210.

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Reply #7 - May 4^th, 2012, 4:13pm

In all of this discussion this is probably the most important thing to point out Barbarian. Most of the trouble this country is in can be traced back to two things:

1) The unconstitutional expansion and usurpation of EXECUTIVE POWER by presidents on both sides of the aisle.

2) The unconstitutional and lethal printing of the paper currency which has completely devalued it and driven Americans by the thousands out of the middle class.

What all of you people in here arguing back and forth need to understand is that blaming Barack Obama is no less ignorant than absolving Ronald Reagan. Truman's Fair Deal was as damaging to the financial health of the nation as was G.H. Bush massively increasing unemployment benefits. Starting back from FDR and going all the way to the present, all of these leaders and their Congresses have spent our money and expanded our government recklessly and dangerously. New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier, Great Society, Just Say No, Audacity of Hope...you name it, it costs more money than we can stomach and has put our nation's future over a cliff. When the CBO projects that Social Security will run out by 2030, and Medicare and Medicaid will eat up 25% of all federal spending in 10 years, and when 68 million people are using food stamps, and when every new washing machine that is energy efficient gets you 75 bucks back in a tax rebate, and when public forgiveness programs of college loans are wiped clean by the federal government, and the government buys corporations it deems too important to lose, and when the Fed buys up its own toxic debt to keep this whole sham running...etc.etc..etc.etc.etc. My question is this. I can't wipe my own ass anymore, and all I am thinking here is...When is the federal government gonna start taking care of that for me, huh? What an outrage. My ass is full of feces and the government is doing nothing? If that seems funny to you it shouldn't be because the entire psyche of a nation now resolves around dependency.

The Tits on this cow are big enough to suckle the Red Army of China. And don't worry folks, soon enough we will all be speaking Mandarin and using the yen. It won't just be enough to have them own all of our debt, they'll own us too one day.

Its just too darn bad Ron Paul never picked up enough steam from brain dead Americans, because I am convinced he is the one man who would have zero compunction to try and begin to change the mess.

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Re: HTRN for president
Reply #8 - May 5^th, 2012, 5:09am

Here we go again with the "tits" argument. It is crappity smacking hilarious that this ahole mentions nothing about RAISING revenue. Which spending cuts to make is always debatable, Dwhacker. The other solution is easy. There are only two places to GET money: corporations or individuals. TAX THE crappity smackING FILTHY RICH and quit letting billion dollar corps take a free ride on the busted balls of the hardworking, life sacrificing lower classes upon which this country was founded. If the Koch brothers dont like it, then lets take the Terrible Ted remedy and shoot the bastards, right Redneck?

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Reply #9 - May 6^th, 2012, 3:13pm

I am not opposed ButtWhomp to taxing the rich. They need to pay their fair share. All of the rich do pay taxes. Its just that it is much easier for them to find loopholes to bring their tax rates down than the average joe (and you would seek all of these loopholes if you were rich too). So if you are pissed off that a Romney only paid 15% instead of say, 35 or 40%, you have a legitimate beef. I don't pretend to know what is fair for the rich in terms of their tax obligation, but I would agree 15% seems rather ridiculous given the immense wealth these lucky few have attained.

Now, lets assume we increased taxes on the "1%" or even the top 10% at a much higher rate (with no loopholes allowed). That might bring in 200 to 300 billion dollars a year in extra taxes. You can argue the increase and the amount but it would be a fairly significant amount depending on how much you want to raise taxes and how low you want to levy the increases on (100,000 a year? 250,000 a year?)

However, here is your problem Buttcheeks and every other liberal out there. Increased taxes on the rich won't even pay for the band-aids that our federal budget needs. We are bleeding out of our assholes, eyes, ears, mouth, and any other hole you can find. You might reign current spending under control and stabilize the deficit, but you do nothing, no matter how much taxes you want to raise ON THE RICH, to deal with the 2000 pound elephant in the room...future projections. Social Security, Medicaid, millions of government workers and their pensions, National Defense, and of course, interest on the debt. All of these are completely out of control. The can has been kicked down the road now since Reagan, and without some kind of radical change it will eat up all future budgetary spending.

So tax the rich all you want. I'd argue they deserve a 20% rate minus any loopholes. Legislate some kind of law on corporate taxes so they pay some kind of flat rate. Do all of that. But until someone with some balls (either a president or a congress) takes the needed step of slashing government at all levels and disbanding the unnecessary aspects of it, restructuring or rethinking entitlements, slashing national defense by 200 to 300 billion, the "tax" the rich whining from the left amounts to using a squirt gun on a bonfire.

Its a simple, simple proposition that has been corrupted by politicians seeking re-election. Government that does best does least. Citizens are entitled to their life and their safety. Once you move beyond that, you enter a slippery slope where citizens receive, demand, or feel entitled to everything under the sun. As Margaret Thatcher once said, the problem with Social Justice and a Government looking out for the general welfare of the people is that once you run out of spending other people's money, the game is up.

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Re: HTRN for president
Reply #10 - May 28^th, 2012, 5:11am

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Thoughts on HT's platform...

Quote from HI-TEC-REDNECK on Mar 12th, 2012, 8:26pm:

2) Let Israel do what they feel necessary to stop Iran's Nuclear program

Not bad, as long as we do not whole heartedly support them doing whatever. They should be like any other ally - no more, no less. We should reserve our sovereign right to support/agree/be neutral/or disagree with any action they take or do not take..

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3) Make Congressional terms and Senate terms 4 years with a 2 year term limit.

I'm ok with this, but I think even more important is to repeal the 17th amendment and return election of US senators to the realm of state governments rather than popular vote. This returns power to the states & enables easier recall if a senator goes wild. The senator really works for the individual state, not the people directly. The people then have more direct power over their state representatives. Give power back to the state governments to direct/recall their national senators in real time. By the way, I assume you meant to say "2 term limit" not "2 year term limit"?

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6) Secure all our borders with soldiers and drones to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, guns and drugs.

Drugs should be legal - there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the power to the federal government to ban or limit a substance that one voluntarily puts into their own body. The war on drugs should be ended, at least at a federal level. But the feds should protect the borders, that is one of their limited constitutional duties, and for all the unconstitutional sh!t they do today, they are sorely lacking on fulfilling this duty that they should be doing.

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7) Treat enemy combatants like the scum they are.

I'm not sure how to read this... Thoughts like this give us the NDAA where anyone can be picked up on suspicion and held indefinitely without charge or trial. If that's what you're thinking, then NO absolutely not.

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9) Limit welfare and other programs like it to 1 year max. Except for the truly disabled.

I'd go a step sideways here - welfare is no business of the federal government, but neither is limiting it. If a state wants to not give it, or give it for life, or something in between, that is up to the state. The Constitution says nothing about welfare in terms of a payment if someone falls on hard times, therefore the federal government should have no involvement. It is a state matter.

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12) Rebuild our military to the size and force it was in the 80's

Why? If anything military needs to be gutted. We are broke & cannot afford it. We spend more than everyone else on the globe combined in defense. We have troops in 100+ countries around the world. This is clearly against the wishes of the founders. The bigger & more funded the military, the more likely a president is to use it recklessly. Fund it & make it big enough to defend the US against any attack and that meets the duty specified in the Constitution for the federal government. Stop policing the world.

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13) Kick the UN out of our country. Let them have their headquarters in some other country. Why should we allow the crazies to come to NY and bash our country and president.
14) Withdraw from the UN and NATO

Well, I don't care about #13 so much - where they do their BS is sort of irrelevant, but #14 I agree with ABSOLUTELY.

Hmmm.
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