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Apr 1st, 2012, 11:30am
 
Find it hard to believe that the 120th ranked player is able to beat Sadistic, ilikethesauce, and darkhorse in 2 days time.
 
Why do these douche bags find it necessary to play and lose on purpose only to try to ambush good players?  If you are good just play.
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2012, 12:31pm
 
Why do people assume so much. Could jimmy1 not improved, got lucky, You assume way to much CS always have.
And to go out on a limb I would guess you have done exactly what you are accusing Jimmy1 of doing
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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2012, 2:59pm
 
Never.  I have changed names but never lost on purpose to make my ranking suck.
 
Also the odds of someone with a ranking of 120 with 400 games played beating 3 top 20 players in 2 days are astronomical.  
 
I mean which explanation sounds more plausible mine or yours?
 
Try viewing some of his games and then make the same assertion.  Also take a look at the probebot games he played where he forfeits midway even when he is up.  He's done that multiple times then created a new one and done the same thing all over.  It is done to make his record look worse and to hide wins over good players.
 
Nothing wrong with it I guess.  But then I guess there also isn't anything wrong with me pointing it out.
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2012, 4:41pm
 
I am a firm believer that if you have an alias it must be public.  
 
The only reason that these guys get protected is because they are paying money.  
 
HTRN has always tried to protect these guys and instead of just being quiet, he goes out of his way to lie.
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:11pm
 
Probebot games are unranked thus do not count towards your record.
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Reply #5 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:22pm
 
Let me just point out that the same people who are so bothered by unknown aliases would not simply approve of it, but cheer it when someone like Editor is ambushed.
 
Not only that, but when someone in the top 20 joins someone ranked 120, is that not newb humping, another act so detested? I understand they may not exclusively play low ranked players, but when they do, and lose... you can't get upset, even if it's an alias. It is no one's fault but your own if you don't treat every opponent with the same amount of respect going into a game.
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Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:30pm
 
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but I did not lie. I did not even make a definitive statement BUT I did not go out of my way to reveal aliases as a admin like you did as a mod. So I still stand heads above you when it comes to integrity, so maybe you should stay out of this discussion. A disgraced mod who broke the trust of the site really has no place in this discussion. And as far as money do you think running the site is free, do you work for free or try to discourage customers from using your service. Grow up a little then come back and speak about what you know about.
 
And great point Kevn
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Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:48pm
 
If Jimmy is indeed an alias account, the best way to deal with whoever it is is to ram a Marshall right up his asspipe followed by a meth-crazed General.  I've elaborated my position on this before but for the sake of vomiting my stupid opinion into the discussion let me say it again.
 
Each and every opponent should be treated with the same respect regardless of ranking or record.  If you start making assumptions about your opponent, or feel you are entitled too know the history of who you are playing, you are asking for special privileges.   You are also arrogantly assuming you should beat a given opponent and have no right to be "tricked."  Excuse me, but at the start of every game everyone starts with the same pieces on the same board, and then let the best man win.  
 
I agree its unethical, and I wouldn't do it personally.  But I would defend someone's right to do it as long as they paid their money.  
 
HOWEVER...
 
I do have a problem with some jackass who is tanking games.  That is something that if it can be substantiated goes way beyond what should be accepted here.  Sandbagging adversely affects everyone on the site because people who do not deserve wins get them and rankings and records can be artificially manipulated, which promotes or demotes without merit.  This should not be allowed.
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:51pm
 
You can't pad your stats with losses against the bots. They're unranked games and don't show up in your record or the rankings.
 
I just watched the sadi and dho games. After watching them, I really don't see anything to this. dho was reckless and gave jimmy a lead, got lottoed a bit and couldn't get back into it. I've done the same against very low ranked players.  
 
Jimmy marsh charged sadi, got a good lead and then with the help of sadi himself traded his way to a scenario where sadi was up a capt and jimmy was up about 6 lower pieces. Neither dho nor sadi played well and Jimmy didn't beat himself after getting good leads.
 
Jimmy also has a lot of losses against top 40 players in the past week as well. Winning 3 out of 10 or so is pretty unlikely, but i really don't think the odds are astronomical.
 
I usually wouldn't get involved in this but low ranked players beating high ranked players is a good thing for the site. We want the lower ranked player to be able to compete with the big boys, rise in the rankings and continue to be a member here.
 
 
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Reply #9 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:54pm
 
But pats, you're from Massachusetts, you should know how fun witch hunts can be!
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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2012, 5:56pm
 
Too soon, kevn. Too soon.
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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2012, 6:29pm
 
Bot losses clog up the review of games if someone wants to do a quick check.
 
Also jimmy1 joins games against top 20 opponents.  The site wants to encourage better players to play newbies.  Ambush players discourage better players from playing newbies.
 
Editor never puts a game up.  He only joins games.  And only those against terrible players until his win ratio gets above 10:1 then he plays the best KRACH player he can to maximize his ranking.
 
One last thing....
 
Me thinks the admins doth protest too much.
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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2012, 6:31pm
 
You've convinced me. Let's burn him at the stake.
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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2012, 7:16pm
 
disgraced mod? get off your high horse redneck.  
 
As for kevn's point, I tend to agree.  Although I would like a list of aliases, it is pretty awesome to see players like Editor or MissionControl get ambushed.  We cannot have it both ways.
 
If jimmy1 is an alias, which one can easily deduct from HTRN's denial, then backtracking on denial, then that is wrong if games are being tanked.  It is wrong in any case of one tanks games just to get a chance at beating a higher ranked opponent.
 
Now I am sure 85%+ of metaforge cares about their rank.  It is human nature to be competitive but a desperate act like this is wrong.  
 
If I had to choose between Editor or MissionControl types getting ambushed or a list of aliases, I would pick the list in a heartbeat.  Nobody takes those guys ranks seriously anyway.  
 
I think chip has done a fantastic job with the site.  But the money vs integrity discussion needs to be looked at.  Unfortunately this is something that I don't see changing
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Reply #14 - Apr 1st, 2012, 9:57pm
 
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I am a firm believer that if you have an alias it must be public.  
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Agreed. I think alias' are a nuisance. I do not know of any but am sure they are out there.
 
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The only reason that these guys get protected is because they are paying money.  

HTRN has always tried to protect these guys and instead of just being quiet, he goes out of his way to lie.
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But...I don't really see your argument here. With my above comment in mind, I would still have to say like it or not, they are here and there are no rules against unknown alias'. So just like with all the other BS in the "Real World", we will just have to deal with it. If the alias is paid for and both names are being played by the same player, that player obviously only has one objective for that name, and that is to hide their true identity. If the admins and mods did not protect the names, they wouldn't be doing their job, and if I had an alias I purposely paid for to hide, I would want them to go out of their way to hide it as well.
 
But to get to the main part of the discussion, I could see what kind of thrill someone would get out of beating top 20 players with a 120 ranked name, but to go THAT far out of their way to do so, to me is insane. You would have to have a hell of a lot of free time on your hands and a lot of patience. Just seems useless to me because he obviously would not rise in the rank from a few good wins, and it wouldn't put the slightest dent in someone like these guys rank.
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Reply #15 - Apr 2nd, 2012, 5:38am
 
If you guys were as half as smart about aliases as you think. I was simply stating to assume so much is bad for the site.
 Certain players here are so paranoid that every other new player is a 2nd unknown name for someone.  
More players means better site for all. But when the old players attack the new players for no reason it tends to run players off.  
 And as Kev stated if you play a newbie Lord forbid now you are  newbie humping instead of  helping a new potential player.
 You say these are bad I say rank whores who care so much about their precious rank that if someone who should not beat them in their mind they get paranoid and go on the attack. It is bad for the site.
 And flyers I have no high horse only facts. You are a liar and can not be trusted, your word means nothing. You sold out the other mods,admins, Chip and the site just to gain some popularity from certain players here on the site.
 You have no original thoughts and only echo thoughts of your heroes. A perfect example is the last post with a poll in it was a exact copy of bosshawgs post only worded different.  
 
http://www.metaforge.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1331659054 bosshawgs post
http://www.metaforge.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1331845518 flyers7 post
 
Main thing is if you want the site ti flourish and grow try being nicer to the new players instead of attacking them like a paranoid crackhead.
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Reply #16 - Apr 2nd, 2012, 5:51am
 
The reasons for using an alias are closer to the foul play of any other reason.
What motive can move a player here to pay an additional fee?  Fun?
 
The damage that can make an alias is limited, but only by being not very transparent, deserves consideration.
 
From my point of view, transparency should be above the money, but what if that money is really needed for the site? then, the small spot can be justified.
 
And what is the most damage can make an alias?
 
I think someone who is ranked in the middle of the ranking, it makes no sense to pay to use an alias.
I think it makes more sense if you are up on the ranking. So if your ego is strong, you can pay extra money to lower the rankind of your opponents in the ranking.
 
For example, imagine an alias of number 4 in the ranking. If you play with the number 2 with your alias, krach opponent will fall to number 2 (as opposed to playing with your real rank 4). If the alias wins, sinks krach of 2, but if you lose, the ranking of 4 is not affected.
 
This is the most important reason I can think of to pay for using an alias. Any other reason becomes meaningless for me.
 
Aliases are like shadows in the dark. They do not wish be revealed. In a way, they are also entitled to it. But others have a right to be leery of someone who acts like that.
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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2012, 6:34am
 
i agree it seems odd, but that's until you take in to account that DH and i were talking pretty much through the entirety of his game where he told me he wasnt really invested in the game, and i had an easy draw at worst with jimmy, but decided to blow up all my pieces instead because i thought he was open.  
 
lets say everything said is true and someone actually takes the time to dump games in order to mess with people. anyone willing to do this wouldnt then ambush 2 people who couldnt care less about being ambushed. i actually feel bad they wasted their time on me instead of Seke.
 
don't be so quick to throw people to the wolves. if you want to play detective, take the time to do your detective work
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Reply #18 - Apr 2nd, 2012, 6:55am
 
You want to start a word war HTRN? We will.
 
I am a liar and cannot be trusted?  
 
I admit, yes that I told of an alias in public.  What is more honorable, doing that or saying it in private to those who you say are buddies?  I have had 3 or 4 long timers here tell me in private chat or off the site of an alias.  I asked how they found out and said HTRN confirmed it.  Maybe instead of throwing me under the bus you should recognize what you do.  
 
Is it better for all to know aliases or only a select few that certain admins choose?  Don't get me wrong.  Many of the admins to a great job here.  lightwing, Pats, Commish, McLovin, even Razorclaw who I did not seen eye to eye with at first is respectable.
 
As far as I am concerned if a few know aliases (that aren't admins), all should.  I don't think that idea is too far fetched.  
 
To conclude: Yes HTRN I admitted many times I told of an alias in public, is that something I am proud about? No.  Can I change it? No.  Is that better than telling a select few in private? YES.
 
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Reply #19 - Apr 2nd, 2012, 10:07am
 
As one of the middle ranked players who has an "alias", let me enlighten you speculators about another reason that you have failed to consider for having said alias.
 
An alias is a great way to learn how to play a different style without wrecking your main account.  I initially got a second account for my son while trying to get him interested in playing.  When he lost interest after about 10 days, I had a paid second account sitting around for another 355 days.  It doesn't take long to figure out how to put it to some worthwhile use.  I have told everyone who has ever asked who they are and I doubt that there is a single good player who doesn't know.
 
On another point:  this is not an ethics or integrity issue.  The rules of the site are clear.  Everyone plays by the same.  If you don't like them--play somewhere else or learn to deal.  You can have as many accounts as you are willing to pay for and it is no one else's business except the owner.
 
It's just Stratego guys.  It is supposed to be fun.  Don't take it too seriously.
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