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STRATEGO LEAGUE
Apr 11th, 2012, 8:06am
 
STRATEGO LEAGUE
 
This idea came about from discussion about a “real” World Championship for Stratego. It is a way to get all the top players consistently playing against each other for more than a rank beside their name. this site needs more #1 vs #2 matchups. I would like this thread to be an open discussion on ideas on how to run the league, and also a place for people who are interested to say so. I'll start off with the basics. None of this is set in stone, and will be made official once we have a general consensus.
 
 
FORMAT
This will be a LEAGUE format, which I anticipate will run for around 3 months. I would like to run it similar to any professional sporting league. Players will be divided into divisions. You play every player in your division multiple times, and then randomly play people outside your division. At the end of the season, the top players from each division will qualify for the championship tournament. The tournament will crown the overall winner of the league.  
 
 
PLAYERS
 
It would be nice to get at least 16 participants. That way we have at least two 8 team divisions. I can see this format being capable of handling up to about 30 players, but I doubt that many will be willing to make the commitment. Again, the concept is to provide a format in which players compete over an extended period of time to prove who really is the best, so we really need to have the best players participating.  
 
 
FEATURES
 
-Standings
-Individual player statistics
-marquee matchup previews
-game recaps
 
PRIZES
 
I anticipate this being a pretty big event on meta, and it should be rewarded accordingly. Ideally I would like everyone to pay to enter the league. This serves 2 purposes. It creates a prize pool, and will also motivate the participants to get their games played in a timely fashion. I'm thinking somewhere in the range of $20-$30 per person for the season. Nothing crazy, but enough to make it worth the effort.
 
 
COMMITMENT
 
It cannot be said enough that this league will be a commitment. The overall success/enjoyment of the league 100% depends on the effort of those participating. It will only be as successful as the players make it. You will be given plenty of time to play your matches, but you have to make the effort to get them done. Everything will be clearly documented and displayed, all you have to do is show up and play your opponent. If it becomes painful, or a burden to get people to play their games, then the league as a whole will fail.  
 
 
DISCUSSION
 
Here is a list of some questions that need to be addressed. I will add my personal preferences for each question. If you are interested in participating in the league, please say so, and add your thoughts on the questions below, or anything mentioned above:
 
Q. How to divide players in to divisions fairly?
 
-This depends a lot on the # of players, but I think we could use the current rankings to divide the players into divisions evenly
 
Q. Rules for game play? (RV, GA)  
 
-Since this is a uniformed league, I believe the rules must be the same for every game in the league. That would mean only range attack for every game.  
 
Q. Payout of prize pool?
 
-The division winners get their $ back, and the league champion claims the rest.
 
Q. Playoff format?
 
-first round – best of 3, 2nd round best of 5, finals best of 7
 
Q. I'm not ranked in the top 5, why should I even bother entering?
 
-the great thing about a league format is it doesn’t matter where you are ranked. We all know anyone can beat anyone on any given day. The divisions allow players to compete against the highest and lowest ranked players in the league. Although you will play the same person multiple times, each meeting will be one game, and anything can happen in one game.  All you need to do is qualify for the tournament, and then anything can happen! Just ask the New York Giants.
 
Again, please feel free to add anything I may have not mentioned. If anything is unclear please ask questions. Let’s get some serious interest and excitement for this league. I believe it can be a success if done properly!
 
 
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Re: STRATEGO LEAGUE
Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2012, 8:31am
 
i'm in.
 
i think RV and GA should be allowed if both players agree about it.
need to clarify the format (how do you build the divisions ? how many matches against each players,....)
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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2012, 9:13am
 
do i need to read all that?
 
sign me up, thanks.
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Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2012, 9:22am
 
I'm in.  I like the idea of a random divisional placement but maybe thats just me.
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2012, 3:55pm
 
If there are going to be several divisions, I think equal division strength should be a goal, so that it’s not much harder to win one division than another.  This can be accomplished if one division has players ranked #1, 4, 5, 8, 9, 12… and the other #2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11,  ….  The drawback of divisions is that we’ll miss out on a lot of great potential matchups between players in different divisions.  Therefore, I’m thinking a round-robin format in which everyone in the league plays each other the same number of times would be best.   But first it would be good to have a better idea of exactly how many players will participate.  I’d also like to know how many league games per week each player will be expected to play.  
 
As for playoffs, I’d say give the top 2 players byes for the first round, and have #3 vs.#6 and #4 vs. #5.  Then reseed and have a semifinal and final.  I agree with sauce’s suggestion on the length of each series (best of 3, then best of 5, then a best of 7 final).
 
About the money: If the goal is greater participation, then there should be no fee.  But in this case, strong commitment of the participants is of great importance, and an entry fee would likely help accomplish this.  I think $20 is sufficient, though.
 
Here’s another idea:  Create the effect of “home” and “away” games by allowing the “home” player to decide whether or not the game will have GA and/or RV.
 
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2012, 5:26pm
 
I know at ranking #46 I probably do not qualify for this Meta League, but if participants get down far enough to need people in the top 45 to 50 I am in.
 
Otherwise I'll be working my ass off to get into the top 20-30 so I can get some consideration here.  
 
And yes, I'll still be ramming my marshall by move 3 into your front ranks and surrounding my flag with miners while I accomplish this.
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Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2012, 2:03am
 
This is an awesome idea Sauce - not sure how far down in rankings this will go (I am ranked about 75 or something), but I would be very keen to participate in this.  Also, when are you looking at starting this - is it for next year or is it just as soon as you can get it up and running?
 
As for the format, what about having the top 2 from each division (assuming there are 4 divisions) to form a 'Super 8' type format; i.e. the 8 players to make it through then play the other 7 players once each (best of 6 - 2 pts for series win, 1 for series draw, 0 for series loss), to determine the top 4 that go through to the semi's?  
 
Also, love Xerxes idea or 'home' and 'away' matches.
 
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2012, 2:29am
 
sign me in guys.
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 12th, 2012, 6:14am
 
Depending how in depth this gets, I am thinking about the idea of a few seperate levels of leagues.
 
For instance:
 
English Premier League Soccer
 
Premiership 1-20 best teams in England
Championship 21-45 best teams
League One 46-etc etc
 
The way they do it is that the top finishers in the Championship move up for the next season.  So, after season one, 18,19,20 would get relegated to the championship and 21,22,23 would get their shot in the premiership.  
 
We can do it that way and just have rankings make the initial leagues and have relegation/promotion system from there.  That would get more players involved including maybe some who's ranking does not mean they will participate.  
 
Of course this would be a lot of work, but could you imagine a potential 23 vs 24 game with a spot in the top division on the line?  That is what we are hoping for.. these big matchups.
 
The other idea is to simply have a few divisions and just go strictly off the rankings at the start of every season.
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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2012, 6:38am
 
thanks for the input guys. keep it coming. a lot of good ideas already.
 
the goal of this league is to have as many players as possible competing. obviously we would like to have most of the top players, but all are welcome. the more the merrier. as long as you are committed, rank isn't an issue.
 
squeak - we are looking to get this going ASAP
 
i really like the idea of a regular season, then a round robin for those who qualify, followed by a single head to head championship. the round robin for the semi-finals will ensure some great match ups that we may only see once during the regular season. keeping the format unique from other tournaments is the main appeal of the league.
 
right now im in favor of random divisions. as with any sport, some divisions are easy, and some are more difficult. if you do divisions by rank, you are guaranteeing that the top players wont be in the same division, which means they wont match up several times over the course of the regular season. these matchups are supposed to be the main attraction of this format. there will be some wildcard teams that qualify for the post season, so two players in the same division can advance. lets wait to see how many players participate before finalizing this portion.
 
the home/away concept is very interesting as well. as long as everyone is willing to accept it, i would definitely want to do that.
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Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2012, 7:45am
 
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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2012, 8:29am
 
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the home/away concept is very interesting as well. as long as everyone is willing to accept it, i would definitely want to do that.

 
Indicates lame rv/ga stuff, so, no.
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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2012, 2:15am
 
i havn't all understand, but im in!
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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2012, 2:59pm
 
i dont know everything about the league setup, but count me in.
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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2012, 5:33pm
 
what is this place. where am i.
i'm in too.
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Reply #15 - Apr 16th, 2012, 8:07am
 
it looks like we are getting a lot of interest from a variety of players. based on that, i think it would be best to ax the $$ aspect of the league.
 
i'll wait another week to allow more people to sign up, and then we can go from there
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Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2012, 12:23pm
 
This of divisions sounds me ....
 
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A league system, with playoffs. A significant payment of $ 5, provides security on the intentions of playing and a greater number of participants, plus a few awards.
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Reply #17 - Apr 16th, 2012, 1:38pm
 
I'm fine with the money; the bigger challenge for me is time.  How many league games per week are we talking about, and do I need to first get ranked in order to participate?  What say you, sauce?
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Reply #18 - Apr 16th, 2012, 9:05pm
 
I'll leave the brainwork to those who possess one.  But in terms of a time commitment an easy schedule could look like...
 
Monday, gametime opens.  You and opponent must complete game by Saturday.  Sunday, administrators can tally results and formulate the next matchups.  6 days to play one game is simple and tracks the weekly calendar.  You could feasibly make any day the off-day (maybe Monday).   You won't please everyone with whatever system is devised, but 1 game a week is probably a nice middle ground commitment to make.
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Reply #19 - Apr 16th, 2012, 10:12pm
 
Hmmm, that sounds like it’s better suited for a Swiss System tournament, as opposed to league play.  I was actually thinking two or three games a week would be fine, since one a week for three months allows only for a 13 game season.  Also, I don’t think a fixed schedule is necessary.  For example, if you know you have to play 10 specific players in the next month, you should be able to play them in any order.  So if one of them happens to be online the same time as you, go ahead and knock out that game.  Although, some constraints regarding a minimum or maximum number of league games one can play in a given time period may be desirable.  Also, when you get down to the last few opponents then players will have to be more proactive in scheduling games at available times of their opponent.
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