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Obama Care bringing healh care cost down......NOT!
May 1st, 2012, 5:18am
 

 
4 more years of this guy and I will be broke. Between my taxes on my business going up, insurance premiums going up every year plus this. He brought change alright.
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Re: Obama Care bringing healh care cost down......
Reply #1 - May 1st, 2012, 2:35pm
 
Quote from HI-TEC-REDNECK on May 1st, 2012, 5:18am:
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4 more years of this guy and I will be broke. Between my taxes on my business going up, insurance premiums going up every year plus this. He brought change alright.

 
Insurance premiums have been rising (and will continue to rise) because of uncontrolled healthcare costs that have been ongoing for > 20 years, not because of Obamacare.  Having millions of uninsured people who don't seek medical care until late in the course of their illness is one factor that leads to higher costs.  Universal healthcare will reduce costs in the long-run.  We also need large cuts to Medicare and elimination of the excessive amount of waste in the healthcare system.  Obamacare is not perfect, but unfortunately the Republican leadership has not offered a viable alternative to solve the healthcare problem.
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Reply #2 - May 1st, 2012, 7:34pm
 
Then please explain to me why before 2008 my insurance premiums and copay's staid the same since 1998? Forcing insurance companies to insure people who had no insurance and now have chronic illness is ONE reason rates are going up.
 And the uncertainty of what the total cost will be is also driving up the cost. Do you wreck your car then go buy insurance and expect them to fix your car? NO!  
 And when the govt sets the rules you can not compete so companies will go out of business. Free enterprise is always the best way to go.
 All you have to do is look at Canada, their prime minister came to America for treatment. This president will go down in history as the worse president yet, hopefully there will not be any worse than him.
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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2012, 11:18pm
 
Obamacare doesn’t get fully implemented until 2014, so to blame it on current rising costs is misguided.  When the interstate insurance exchanges get going and the individual mandate kicks in then the rate of price increase should lessen.
 
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Do you wreck your car then go buy insurance and expect them to fix your car? NO!
 
Exactly!  This is why the mandate is necessary.  Currently a person can choose not to buy health insurance, but if they have an accident and end up in the emergency room and can’t pay then taxpayers have to foot the bill.  It amazes me how conservatives can argue in favor of a system which allows freeloaders to mooch off the rest of us.  The mandate, on the other hand, says you need to buy health insurance now, not wait until you are sick or need emergency care.  It’s based on the principle of individual responsibility, which conservatives used to support.
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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2012, 5:35am
 
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Obamacare doesn’t get fully implemented until 2014, so to blame it on current rising costs is misguided.  When the interstate insurance exchanges get going and the individual mandate kicks in then the rate of price increase should lessen.

Do you own a business, if you do and you fall under control of obamacare you do not wait until 14 to make changes to cover the cost put upon you, you do it now. That is what is happening.
 
 As far as the mandate I can not believe the left is trying to get control of your body, they give a woman complete control over hers on abortion, they stay out of the bedroom of the homosexual, but yet they think it is constitutional to mandate to everyone, the rich who can afford to pay their own medical bills, the young who feel it is not needed and provide free healthcare for the criminals who are here breaking the law.
 The government has no right to force me to buy health insurance buckle up wear a helmet who I can marry (marriage license) Your socialist views are being seen with beer goggles on.
 I have the proof in my filing cabinet showing how my rates have more than doubled and my co pays have also went up since obama care was passed without knowing whats in it. Quote from Nancy Pelosi Quote:
But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
 And ohh yeah congress and the president and unions are exempt from this. That is fair.
 
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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2012, 9:55am
 
Socialism?  Ha ha.  The individual mandate was originally a Republican idea from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and I don’t recall any conservatives protesting when the current Republican nominee for President instituted the mandate in Massachusetts.  The mandate only became a horrible infringement on our freedoms when Obama proposed it.  It seems that you and tea-party types define socialism as anything that Obama does or proposes, even if it used to be supported by conservatives.
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Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2012, 3:11pm
 
I have called Romney obama JR. He killed his state with this healthcare, make no mistake Romney is no Conservative.
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Reply #7 - May 2nd, 2012, 10:37pm
 
Quote from HI-TEC-REDNECK on May 2nd, 2012, 3:11pm:
I have called Romney obama JR. He killed his state with this healthcare, make no mistake Romney is no Conservative.

 
I 2nd that wrt Romney. And Obama is Bush W Jr.... Let's not forget there's still another man in the GOP nomination race...
 
Anyway, regarding health care, personal experience this year: my family's health insurance premium would have gone up 5% this year, however they added an extra charge per month because I am covering my wife (I always have, this is nothing new...) and she could have otherwise gotten coverage under her own employer's plan.  They said this extra surcharge was directly due to provisions of the new health care bill.  Net result: my health insurance costs rose 25% this year.  We looked at options of her going with her own coverage, and me going with mine, and splitting the children in various ways, and this was still the cheapest.
 
So as far as my personal experience has gone this year, HT is absolutely spot on.  As much as I don't like the status quo, this monstrosity of a bill has to be repealed.  It is an utter failure already.
 
Could they be lying and just scamming & blaming it on Obamacare?  I guess it's possible.  But if so, the bill still enabled said lying, scamming, and gouging.  Where's Big Man AG Eric Holder cracking down on such abuses?  Oh yeah.. I forgot... asleep at the wheel... that is, unless he's busting real criminals, like you know, Amish trying to sell raw milk to willing buyers...  or completely legal medical marijuana providers in Cali & Oregon & Colorado.... Oh, he doesn't "have time" for busting 'Big Health' for fraud, or MF Global (and big time Obama fundraiser CEO Jon Corzine) for outright stealing $1.2B from segregated customer accounts.  Anyway I digress.
 
I still maintain the easiest route would have been to allow every American to buy (note: not get free) into the same health care plan that Congress gets if they want to (no unconstitutional mandate) as an option.  Speaking of which, members of Congress should buy into it as well.
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